England

Darnell Family Historical Information

Lee Weaver A new WEAVER cousin in England has entered out world of genealogy and is daily adding interesting information to our family research. I post this, not just of my WEAVER relatives, but also because so many Americans have a related or similar genealogical history. I hope someone will enjoy Roy's post for today.....

Just as Americans call all of the British “English”, so the Romans were confused. They called those they chased throughout England “Britons” but they were chasing “Celts”! My teachers at school always taught me that the Romans chased the true Brits into Wales. The period, 500 years before Christ and 500 years after, most in our land were Celts who also existed in Europe particularly those areas near to Britain. Today we refer to Welsh, Scots and Irish as Celts!

Please do not confuse them with Cornwall. Some have played on the construction of the Cornovii Celts and the name Cornwall, however failed in the attempt. Even before the Romans arrived distant lands had traded with Cornwall for tin but descriptions of the United Kingdom as we call it now or Great Britain, tell of a mixed stock of Celts from the Midlands up to Scotland then Romans, Anglo Saxon, Normans all making up our British race.

The Cornorvii Celtic tribe and Weaver name geographically are identical, to the inch. Their headquarters both in Powys, Presteigne and the Wrekin with land including Cheshire up to Chester, Shropshire and down to North Herefordshire as well as the whole eastern edge of Powys. This is no coincidence! Both focus on same principal villages such as Presteigne and Salop villages down to north Herefordshire. The movement to Glastonbury Somerset and across to Alderley Edge on the Cheshire side also match. Watling street opened up trade and travel and then our family began following resources. If indeed the Cornovii were famous for Weaving and dyeing bright woolen cloth, this could have given rise to the name Weve or Weaver from the trade. Some experts had suggested this in the first place and Lucius is not against it. Some trace links to Flemish weaving and Germanic Weavers and de Wever is a well known name, some see these as different stock but the name exists in such parts even today.

How the surname Wever got added on, is always a difficulty, since surnames, mainly in Britain did not come into use, until around 1066 when the Normans decided to tax us! The murky bit in our line is where a couple of Walter Weaver’s pop up in the 1300s with correct spelling and our surname intact. Some lists attach it to Humphrey and some even bring in a Miss Weaver or dare to attach it to the Welsh last two leaders in the line and even to Prince Madog when the name is not a Welsh construction. I am concerned about our research and doubtful as to some information. The year 1303 for instance, we have found in most lists two deaths of parents and the birth date of their child! I think the romance of linking us to a line of what were thought Welsh royal leaders could have mislead some. We have always doubts on exact dating and the visitation do not help us with dates only indicating the reign. Internet searches copy mistakes and Royal hopes, rather than reality.

What we can be sure of is Geography. I have obtained Lucius historic writings at last and he does not disagree with the possibility on one stem instead of his suggested two. I have proved in my own line, I am made up of Herefordshire, Shropshire, Cheshire, Somerset and Presteigne and the Powys border Weaver’s as well as Rhode Island. For me they began in Cheshire as de Wever went to Rhode Island and returned to Somerset, Herefordshire and Shropshire, to make their way back to the ancestral seat up in Cheshire. I am sure they were unaware of the significance. Most movements were to follow work and the Watling Street route again corresponds with movement across to Alderley, as well as other routes down to Glastonbury. Weaver’s may have been famous for Weaving, then made their money with Salt in Cheshire, then coal in Shropshire to gentry in Hereford politics marrying into large Families as the de Bohun's over in Pleshey and Stanleys in Alderley. Many worked the land for others in rural Cheshire and Shropshire maily as labourers. Even today there is a very large farm and haulage company in Cheshire, with Weaver written on all their trucks. Later the cotton mills of Lancashire and the Silk Mills of Macclesfield, would draw them right back to near Delamere, where they had started as foresters royal and to Chester where they had defended in Royal duty, Aldford Castle.

As for our religious leanings, we were Pagan Celts of Cornovii, which means “people of the horn”or horned god. We were ruled by the Druids but as Celts we took kindly to the Christian influx becoming in later years zealous Puritans. Some of us stayed to try and influence Parliament and others sailed away with the dream of building a New England.

I can tell you how well they did here at home or failed to do from my knowledge of the Established Church liturgy today. We failed in many ways and succeeded in others particularly in non conformity. You can tell me how well you did with the American dream or hope of a New England.

Today Weaver's in retirement send e mails to one another and talk across the great Atlantic and discuss how many Clements or Walters there were. Past Weaver’s were filled with hope and faith. They preached the Gospel and spoke boldly before kings and common people. We now occupy ourselves in a technical age searching for lost roots and failing Christian standards.

Let’s hope we are still Great Britain and the Land of the Free. Roy